Autosurf State Of Play - June 6th 2006
Well it's about time I did a little round up of the autosurfs.
Alientrust
I haven't actually surfed or done anything with these guys for ages (months) so I'm finally moving them out of my autosurf list (yeah I know, I'm lazy.) About a week or go or so I checked and I believe they are still paying, in face they have the quick pace they used to when they first started from what I understand (payments made within hours.)
CompactSurfing
...rule. Still going strong. Just received another payout.
PhoenixSurf
Oops, what were these guys still doing there? Ever since the compulsory shift to debit cards I haven't been with them at all, and then they got hit by major problems.
The Matrix Daily
Okay, these guys pulled a swift one and stuffed a lot of people around by retroactively changing Red Pill rates!
However, since then they've continued along and yes they WERE within the fine print of their terms. Most of the Red Pill rates over the past week or so have been well above 5%...
So for this fact, I'm not getting rid of them and crying: "scam!" They pulled a subtle fast one on us.
However, due to the even higher risk (at least it's an obvious risk unlike most autosurfs) I'm moving them to a new 'Fun and Games' section. They're a bet like most things in this arena - but at least they tell you they're a bet!
Here's their latest update exploring the aftermath of 'phase II' (the altering of rates.)
"Welcome to the 9th newsletter of The Matrix Daily. This update consists of the following sections:
1.) Phase II progressing
2.) Loss compensation plan
3.) 10% deposit bonus
4.) Why bother to gamble?
1.) A big welcome to all new members! As the majority of our members know, May 23rd marked a significant milestone in the life of TMD. We moved from the initial expansion phase where no member lost money for 170 days, to the proper phase of operation where members have every day the chance to earn more and also the chance to lose part of their money.
For the past 10 days after the phase transition the average red pill rate has been approx. 8% daily, which adds up to a total of 200% your money in 25 days. Congratulations go to those brave members - there are a lot of you - who have decided to buy the red pill during the last days of May to enjoy those incredible profit figures for the next 25 days!
There have been suspicions floating around in the public that the late high percentages are just a "ploy" to attract new purchases so that we would then lower the rates drastically later. Such would indeed be a natural way to go in your traditional ponzi scheme, fortunately most of our members have already realized that we do not belong to that category. TMD is a unique, clever concept and we also have our unique ways of paying that are more beneficial to the members than you may suspect.
Unlike the expansion Phase 1, the Proper Phase 2 constitutes an ingenious business model which is self-sustaining, ie. able to continue indefinitely without expansion. The game could go on and on even if there was a single player purchasing a red or blue pill once every month. The pill rates need not be lowered at all - they will stay in the average range of approx. 7% to 8% daily for the other and 1% daily for the other.
Choosing the right pill that gets the higher rate, that is the whole name of the game! Barring unforeseeable events, the rate you get will stay the same for the full 25 days (unlike in the short transition phase of May) so once you hit the right pill you can relax for the next 25 days and wait for the handsome payout that often will be double of what you put in.
2.) Because of the criticism given by many members who lost part of their potential upgrade earnings in the May transition, we have decided to come forward a bit and compensate for the loss for those members who despite their momentarily loss continue to support us.
On June 27th we will pay out a special cash bonus for those members whose red pill was adjusted on May 23rd and who have at least one active upgrade on June 27th. It will be a double-digit instant percentage bonus based on the ACTIVE UPGRADE value of June 27th. It will be decided by then whether further bonuses will be given as the summer progresses - possibly up to the full value of the lost upgrades in May. If you were affected by the retroactive adjustment of May 23rd we suggest you keep at least one active upgrade in your account to benefit a significant compensation on June 27th.
3.) Starting today, June 2nd, we will reinstate a handsome cash balance bonus of 10% for any new e-gold upgrades. THIS CONCERNS ALL MEMBERS! Within the following week you will be able to use the bonus for further upgrades as we release some of the cash balance usage limits that have proved unpractical.
4.) There are numerous debacles around the net pointing out various things related to the controversial nature of TMD, one of the most important is "why risk losing up to 75% of your money when you can earn a stable rate in another program?"
The short answer to that is: Because you have the chance to earn significantly more. 175% to even 375% your money in 25 days on regular basis is something that is not achieved by any other program we know of.
The long answer, well, is a bit longer :)
The traditional hyip / autosurf programs all have a nasty "secret": They are pyramids, ponzi schemes disguised into viable business by lining out cool jargon about profits generated by various ventures, ad sales, offline investments and whatever trendy terms that may sound convincing to the ears of the gullible.
All the traditional (well, all others than TMD as far as we know) autosurfs need expansion to pay their earlier members - when the expansion halts or slows down too much the program collapses and quits, members losing all or most of their money that's invested into the program at that time. Very plain pyramid stuff, but the slimy aspect is that basically all of the programs lie about that.
The veteran "investors" know that, yet many continue to play these games of lies because with moderate experience they can be exploited up to a level of profit. There is the dark side of how that profit is produced of course, by the expense of the innocent latecomers who think they're contributing funds to a real business, but that fact is routinely ignored because it is essentially a stinking, rotten sea of lies masqueraded into something that deceptively appeals to people's hopes of financial utopia. Who would like to admit to himself with clean conscience that he earns something from such?
Now, the "stable" rate in your another program is in most cases not that stable at all. It may earn you money for a while, even a long while, however the day of reckoning will always come and most people will then suffer. In addition, by participating in such a scheme you give support to the decay of truthfulness, the rise of outright lies becoming a standard business practise like has happened in the autosurf / hyip industry.
Many people have actually said to us that we would be more respectable if we just closed the program and disappeared taking all the money, than making members lose according to our terms and in any case return a minimum of 25% of their money. Look how twisted have such minds become! For those of you, the instructions for deletion of your own account are in the end of this email.
It is a choice of each individual whether she wants to play the game of lies and profit by the expense of the unknowing, or possibly participate in fair games taking her thrill and satisfaction in that one can rightfully beat the house or other players so that everyone knows the Name of The Game!
The Matrix Daily, as well as the other businesses of Graviton Capital Inc. indicate it outright that many members will lose. The Matrix Daily does not need expansion, it does not need ad sales, it does not need external investment income to proceed.
As the word of conclusion a particular point to note about the possiblity of loss: If you happen to choose the wrong pill initially, making you earn back only 25% of your money, you have the chance to quickly offset the loss by choosing a new pill with the same amount of money. If your new pill turns out to pay at least 7% daily (which is becoming the usual minimum standard) you have broken even. Any higher rate will give you total earnings of 125% to 375% of your stake in 25 days.
But how to choose the correct pill that pays out the higher rate? Hints about that will be given in the next issue...
We wish everyone a good weekend and a prosperous & exciting beginning of the summer!
To Your Success,
Morpheus
The Matrix Daily Admin
---"
In a way, they're admirable. It's something different and I'm sure many of us were peeved to the max about the retroactive changes, but there's a good chance these guys'll be around long after many other surfs have bitten the dust.
Total Rune
Total Rune has been 'keeping it real' as well :p... Definitely blazing the comeback trail along with WiredSurf.
Compounding and cashouts were opened on Monday. I requested a little of Column A and a little of Column B. I'll keep you posted on the cashout. They're making progress, but of course, paying out is the only 'true' sign of progress.
Site is still pretty bloody slow though...
The latest goss?
"Hello Everyone,
Just a quick update on things again...
Myself and my staff have been working like crazy to edit everyones accounts.
We seem to be moving along pretty nicely, but obviously this takes time.
Thank you for your patience.
We will be opening up Cashouts and Compounding tonight but I deffinitely need to let you know that with everything we are doing to get things back to normal again...
cashouts WILL TAKE LONGER THAN NORMAL.
This is b/c we will not be able to drop everything and just do payouts. Besides the fact that even when we have nothing to do except payouts, it takes more time than it normally would with all these hackers and fraudulant upgrades.
We check every account in detail before making a payment.
It just HAS TO BE DONE, or we ALL lose.
I will do my best to do cashouts, edit accounts, and answer emails as quickly as possible...but I WILL NOT answer emails about cashouts until we have caught up on everything.
With this being said, I am also suggesting that some of you might want to compound this week and this will free up time to catch up on all the editing. Then next week we should be back to a normal time frame again.
Free members you might want to compound some of your balance and cashout some and then you wont be sitting around everyday waiting for the cashout request to be processed just so you can upgrade again.
Also some of you might have received your debit cards and might want to request payment to them.
Remember, all you have to do is put the request in as an Alertpay cashout with your DEBIT CARD NUMBER. Thats all.
You will then be cashed out to your card, and once the cashout is processed the cash is available almost instantly.
WE DEFFINITELY RECOMMEND CASHING OUT TO YOUR CARD.
-----
Anyhow things are starting to look up again.
I can see a light at the end of this disasterous tunnel.
We still need to do a few more things for security purposes and to get back 24hrs of smoothe sailing.
The raffle went well on IMF, congrats to our winners.
Dont worry we didnt forget about TR. The raffle for TR will start sometime this week...We will let you know when that is.
Some of you may have noticed that IMF has remained at 3% the past cpl of days.
This is b/c until we get things fully back on track and get a better/true analysis, we need to leave it at 3%.
This should not be something to be upset about as 3% a day for 67 days is still a 201% return.
Egold upgrades:
As you may or may not know, someone has been running a script that somehow has managed to change our merchant code for Egold.
Until we can counteract against this, we all need to make sure that we dont pay the wrong account #.
Our account # for egold is 3002911.
You will either see an Automatic Upgrade in your members area or a Manual Upgrade.
If it is an Automatic choice, just make sure when you go thru the motions that the account # is correct. If it isnt, do not confirm your purchase thru that form.
Just login to your egold account and send a payment to our account for the amount you wish to purchase, then shoot me an email atbilling@reportsgalore.com with ur ID# and transaction details.
Im sorry that some things have to be the way they are, but unfortunately some ppl will never stop trying to break rules, and/or cheat the system.
To this day we STILL have ppl trying to do DDOS attacks and SQL injections, and things ive never heard of or wanted to hear of.
These are the things I guess I signed up for huh.
Its pretty pathetic if u ask me.
Also anyone who has a problem with me or my programs, say it to me!
NOT SHAUN, NOT ANITA, NOT LIZ, NOT MEAGHAN, NO ONE BUT ME!
Im referring mostly to the cowardless chatroom tough guys.
-----
ON A BETTER NOTE...I TRULEY WANT TO THANK YOU ALL WHO HAVE
BEEN SOOOOO SUPPORTIVE AND UNDERSTANDING.
We appreciate it!
We are trying our best folks, plz know that.
Its just not that easy when you have so many obstacles and/or haters trying to constantly bring you down.
Ok guys and gals, I really need to get back to working on the things I should be doing."
WiredSurf
All my payments are up to date including recent expiries! Go Wired Surf, go.
By the way, I can't access their forum today. I thought we were getting some big progress support on Sunday? Hopefully tomorrow will bring an update and working forum.
Alientrust
I haven't actually surfed or done anything with these guys for ages (months) so I'm finally moving them out of my autosurf list (yeah I know, I'm lazy.) About a week or go or so I checked and I believe they are still paying, in face they have the quick pace they used to when they first started from what I understand (payments made within hours.)
CompactSurfing
...rule. Still going strong. Just received another payout.
PhoenixSurf
Oops, what were these guys still doing there? Ever since the compulsory shift to debit cards I haven't been with them at all, and then they got hit by major problems.
The Matrix Daily
Okay, these guys pulled a swift one and stuffed a lot of people around by retroactively changing Red Pill rates!
However, since then they've continued along and yes they WERE within the fine print of their terms. Most of the Red Pill rates over the past week or so have been well above 5%...
So for this fact, I'm not getting rid of them and crying: "scam!" They pulled a subtle fast one on us.
However, due to the even higher risk (at least it's an obvious risk unlike most autosurfs) I'm moving them to a new 'Fun and Games' section. They're a bet like most things in this arena - but at least they tell you they're a bet!
Here's their latest update exploring the aftermath of 'phase II' (the altering of rates.)
"Welcome to the 9th newsletter of The Matrix Daily. This update consists of the following sections:
1.) Phase II progressing
2.) Loss compensation plan
3.) 10% deposit bonus
4.) Why bother to gamble?
1.) A big welcome to all new members! As the majority of our members know, May 23rd marked a significant milestone in the life of TMD. We moved from the initial expansion phase where no member lost money for 170 days, to the proper phase of operation where members have every day the chance to earn more and also the chance to lose part of their money.
For the past 10 days after the phase transition the average red pill rate has been approx. 8% daily, which adds up to a total of 200% your money in 25 days. Congratulations go to those brave members - there are a lot of you - who have decided to buy the red pill during the last days of May to enjoy those incredible profit figures for the next 25 days!
There have been suspicions floating around in the public that the late high percentages are just a "ploy" to attract new purchases so that we would then lower the rates drastically later. Such would indeed be a natural way to go in your traditional ponzi scheme, fortunately most of our members have already realized that we do not belong to that category. TMD is a unique, clever concept and we also have our unique ways of paying that are more beneficial to the members than you may suspect.
Unlike the expansion Phase 1, the Proper Phase 2 constitutes an ingenious business model which is self-sustaining, ie. able to continue indefinitely without expansion. The game could go on and on even if there was a single player purchasing a red or blue pill once every month. The pill rates need not be lowered at all - they will stay in the average range of approx. 7% to 8% daily for the other and 1% daily for the other.
Choosing the right pill that gets the higher rate, that is the whole name of the game! Barring unforeseeable events, the rate you get will stay the same for the full 25 days (unlike in the short transition phase of May) so once you hit the right pill you can relax for the next 25 days and wait for the handsome payout that often will be double of what you put in.
2.) Because of the criticism given by many members who lost part of their potential upgrade earnings in the May transition, we have decided to come forward a bit and compensate for the loss for those members who despite their momentarily loss continue to support us.
On June 27th we will pay out a special cash bonus for those members whose red pill was adjusted on May 23rd and who have at least one active upgrade on June 27th. It will be a double-digit instant percentage bonus based on the ACTIVE UPGRADE value of June 27th. It will be decided by then whether further bonuses will be given as the summer progresses - possibly up to the full value of the lost upgrades in May. If you were affected by the retroactive adjustment of May 23rd we suggest you keep at least one active upgrade in your account to benefit a significant compensation on June 27th.
3.) Starting today, June 2nd, we will reinstate a handsome cash balance bonus of 10% for any new e-gold upgrades. THIS CONCERNS ALL MEMBERS! Within the following week you will be able to use the bonus for further upgrades as we release some of the cash balance usage limits that have proved unpractical.
4.) There are numerous debacles around the net pointing out various things related to the controversial nature of TMD, one of the most important is "why risk losing up to 75% of your money when you can earn a stable rate in another program?"
The short answer to that is: Because you have the chance to earn significantly more. 175% to even 375% your money in 25 days on regular basis is something that is not achieved by any other program we know of.
The long answer, well, is a bit longer :)
The traditional hyip / autosurf programs all have a nasty "secret": They are pyramids, ponzi schemes disguised into viable business by lining out cool jargon about profits generated by various ventures, ad sales, offline investments and whatever trendy terms that may sound convincing to the ears of the gullible.
All the traditional (well, all others than TMD as far as we know) autosurfs need expansion to pay their earlier members - when the expansion halts or slows down too much the program collapses and quits, members losing all or most of their money that's invested into the program at that time. Very plain pyramid stuff, but the slimy aspect is that basically all of the programs lie about that.
The veteran "investors" know that, yet many continue to play these games of lies because with moderate experience they can be exploited up to a level of profit. There is the dark side of how that profit is produced of course, by the expense of the innocent latecomers who think they're contributing funds to a real business, but that fact is routinely ignored because it is essentially a stinking, rotten sea of lies masqueraded into something that deceptively appeals to people's hopes of financial utopia. Who would like to admit to himself with clean conscience that he earns something from such?
Now, the "stable" rate in your another program is in most cases not that stable at all. It may earn you money for a while, even a long while, however the day of reckoning will always come and most people will then suffer. In addition, by participating in such a scheme you give support to the decay of truthfulness, the rise of outright lies becoming a standard business practise like has happened in the autosurf / hyip industry.
Many people have actually said to us that we would be more respectable if we just closed the program and disappeared taking all the money, than making members lose according to our terms and in any case return a minimum of 25% of their money. Look how twisted have such minds become! For those of you, the instructions for deletion of your own account are in the end of this email.
It is a choice of each individual whether she wants to play the game of lies and profit by the expense of the unknowing, or possibly participate in fair games taking her thrill and satisfaction in that one can rightfully beat the house or other players so that everyone knows the Name of The Game!
The Matrix Daily, as well as the other businesses of Graviton Capital Inc. indicate it outright that many members will lose. The Matrix Daily does not need expansion, it does not need ad sales, it does not need external investment income to proceed.
As the word of conclusion a particular point to note about the possiblity of loss: If you happen to choose the wrong pill initially, making you earn back only 25% of your money, you have the chance to quickly offset the loss by choosing a new pill with the same amount of money. If your new pill turns out to pay at least 7% daily (which is becoming the usual minimum standard) you have broken even. Any higher rate will give you total earnings of 125% to 375% of your stake in 25 days.
But how to choose the correct pill that pays out the higher rate? Hints about that will be given in the next issue...
We wish everyone a good weekend and a prosperous & exciting beginning of the summer!
To Your Success,
Morpheus
The Matrix Daily Admin
---"
In a way, they're admirable. It's something different and I'm sure many of us were peeved to the max about the retroactive changes, but there's a good chance these guys'll be around long after many other surfs have bitten the dust.
Total Rune
Total Rune has been 'keeping it real' as well :p... Definitely blazing the comeback trail along with WiredSurf.
Compounding and cashouts were opened on Monday. I requested a little of Column A and a little of Column B. I'll keep you posted on the cashout. They're making progress, but of course, paying out is the only 'true' sign of progress.
Site is still pretty bloody slow though...
The latest goss?
"Hello Everyone,
Just a quick update on things again...
Myself and my staff have been working like crazy to edit everyones accounts.
We seem to be moving along pretty nicely, but obviously this takes time.
Thank you for your patience.
We will be opening up Cashouts and Compounding tonight but I deffinitely need to let you know that with everything we are doing to get things back to normal again...
cashouts WILL TAKE LONGER THAN NORMAL.
This is b/c we will not be able to drop everything and just do payouts. Besides the fact that even when we have nothing to do except payouts, it takes more time than it normally would with all these hackers and fraudulant upgrades.
We check every account in detail before making a payment.
It just HAS TO BE DONE, or we ALL lose.
I will do my best to do cashouts, edit accounts, and answer emails as quickly as possible...but I WILL NOT answer emails about cashouts until we have caught up on everything.
With this being said, I am also suggesting that some of you might want to compound this week and this will free up time to catch up on all the editing. Then next week we should be back to a normal time frame again.
Free members you might want to compound some of your balance and cashout some and then you wont be sitting around everyday waiting for the cashout request to be processed just so you can upgrade again.
Also some of you might have received your debit cards and might want to request payment to them.
Remember, all you have to do is put the request in as an Alertpay cashout with your DEBIT CARD NUMBER. Thats all.
You will then be cashed out to your card, and once the cashout is processed the cash is available almost instantly.
WE DEFFINITELY RECOMMEND CASHING OUT TO YOUR CARD.
-----
Anyhow things are starting to look up again.
I can see a light at the end of this disasterous tunnel.
We still need to do a few more things for security purposes and to get back 24hrs of smoothe sailing.
The raffle went well on IMF, congrats to our winners.
Dont worry we didnt forget about TR. The raffle for TR will start sometime this week...We will let you know when that is.
Some of you may have noticed that IMF has remained at 3% the past cpl of days.
This is b/c until we get things fully back on track and get a better/true analysis, we need to leave it at 3%.
This should not be something to be upset about as 3% a day for 67 days is still a 201% return.
Egold upgrades:
As you may or may not know, someone has been running a script that somehow has managed to change our merchant code for Egold.
Until we can counteract against this, we all need to make sure that we dont pay the wrong account #.
Our account # for egold is 3002911.
You will either see an Automatic Upgrade in your members area or a Manual Upgrade.
If it is an Automatic choice, just make sure when you go thru the motions that the account # is correct. If it isnt, do not confirm your purchase thru that form.
Just login to your egold account and send a payment to our account for the amount you wish to purchase, then shoot me an email at
Im sorry that some things have to be the way they are, but unfortunately some ppl will never stop trying to break rules, and/or cheat the system.
To this day we STILL have ppl trying to do DDOS attacks and SQL injections, and things ive never heard of or wanted to hear of.
These are the things I guess I signed up for huh.
Its pretty pathetic if u ask me.
Also anyone who has a problem with me or my programs, say it to me!
NOT SHAUN, NOT ANITA, NOT LIZ, NOT MEAGHAN, NO ONE BUT ME!
Im referring mostly to the cowardless chatroom tough guys.
-----
ON A BETTER NOTE...I TRULEY WANT TO THANK YOU ALL WHO HAVE
BEEN SOOOOO SUPPORTIVE AND UNDERSTANDING.
We appreciate it!
We are trying our best folks, plz know that.
Its just not that easy when you have so many obstacles and/or haters trying to constantly bring you down.
Ok guys and gals, I really need to get back to working on the things I should be doing."
WiredSurf
All my payments are up to date including recent expiries! Go Wired Surf, go.
By the way, I can't access their forum today. I thought we were getting some big progress support on Sunday? Hopefully tomorrow will bring an update and working forum.
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